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[norc24601]

I'm not much of a combat pilot and I'm quite new at these kind of things but I'll take (V)assacre's advice; KoS is KoS and if I get branded I'll have to be on high alert out there. But since it's in the rules, I'll initiate RP if I encounter a KoS even if just "You're on the list! En garde!". I understand that the initiate RP rule is probably there to prevent the "queen" abuse (y'know, "offf with their headdsss") but I don't want to ruin players like (V)assacre's fun either.

[(V)assacre]

@ Norc - KoS is reserved for griefers or cheaters its only rarely that we KoS people. Its an last resort action wich we use before we go tell the admins that somebody stole our cookie... ( kidding ) nah but seriously you really shouldnt worry, while we may seem intimidating we're really here to have fun hunting and being hunted in turn by law enforcement agents.

[norc24601]

Thanks for the explanation, (V)assacre. Sorry to be such a bonehead, can somebody clear something up for me? I've looked up "griefers" and in addition from what's in the SWWT rules, I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer (yeah, it's wikipedia  ).

If that is correct, then the griefers are people who disrupt the server and its atmosphere/intentions. If they make so much trouble (grief) that would take major fun off from other PCs, loss of RP, make the server lost players, etc then why would RP be initiated before kossing the griefers? Is it because the case sometimes falls under catch22? Is it because the server wants to affirm RP atmosphere?

Or did I just overanalyze it? Or my RL? sorry, just got into the MMO wagon and I used to be in a "if you don't play by the rules, then don't expect we'll treat you within the rules" place. Maybe I'm having issues separating OL and RL right? lol!.

[FriendlyFire]

Sometimes the definition of "griefer" varies greatly between people...

I'm sure plenty of people would say, oh totally random example, that Ramirez is a meat gazer, but that doesn't make him one. Same thing applies here, and so we take no risks. Rules with exceptions weaken and eventually fail.

[Ogu]

sorry, just got into the MMO wagon and I used to be in a "if you don't play by the rules, then don't expect we'll treat you within the rules" place. Maybe I'm having issues separating OL and RL right? lol!.

I agree with you to a certain extent. Cheaters or hackers are one thing, but if it's just some player who isn't obeying a server rule, then you still have the obligation to follow the rules. Don't try to police the server - feel free to inform players of the rules if they aren't following one, but don't kill them repeatedly without RP. If someone is a problem, just tell us and we'll deal with them.

I would hate for the asshat you put on KOS to report you for repeatedly dock-killing them. Even if someone is being an asshat, everyone is subject to the same rules.

[Janson]

little food for thought: someone is not playing by the rules, and if you rp like you should, and upon pwning his arse tell him he should play by the rules, he should listen.

on the other hand, if you just go non rp kill these people then tell them to play by the rules, you fail and they just say "wtf you dont either fool".

[Digdug]

I'm failing to see why this is still a discussion. Interact before engaging another player. It's a simple rule and one that everyone must follow just as with all of our other rules. If another player chooses not to follow that rule or any rule for that matter then report them, talk to them politely about it, or leave it alone. That's all there is to it. There are no extenuating circumstances and no special considerations, just the above statements. Keep that in mind and you'll be fine.

[norc24601]

Thanks guys/gals! All of the above posts brought light to my understanding of RP in SWWT and in general. They made me understand more the workings of an OL community and a server such as this. This is like adapting to the custom of a foreign country for me.

It's still a very long way for me to be a standing member of any OL community (if ever) but at least I'm inching my way to a better understanding of the OL community and a more appropriate set of responses I could/should choose from and avoid. That way I can also inch my way out of being a lurker ("lurker"; even that's new for me lol!).

This is a totally new thing for me and if I or someone can help it, I much prefer not to commit myself into those which I still have doubts. I, of course, have greater number of questions and curiosities Since this community is very helpful, in time, I'll be posting another inquiries. Some, if not all, will be moronic because what you consider a minor common knowledge and practice will be a whole new frontier for me. I apologize in advance. In the mean time, I tip my hat to all you SWWTers

Regards,
Naps/Nero.

[Digdug]

There's a world of difference between being ignorant of something and being moronic I don't know how to build nuclear reactors; I'm ignorant in that respect. If I went to one of the admins and asked about a rule (as a staff member) then I'd be a moron as it's kind of my job to know them There's no shame in asking questions when you don't know the answers. We just ask that you make the effort to learn and try to pay attention.

[Arch]

Well you know the old saying right Dig?  "Ignorance is bliss."  And personally I think so would be being moronic, as you don't realize it only everyone else dose. 

You could even combine the two and really be quite happy with yourself.

Ok ok almost done with my spell of insanity. *whips Digdug with foam bat and runs from his wrath*

I'm done now, just suddenly felt the urge to end this one with a bit of old fashion spam sorry guys. I get the urge once and a while. 

[(V)assacre]

This server is the only one ive ever played on where pirates had to declare that they intended to pirate somebody. Personally I feel this " rule " makes it near impossible to play a decent pirate.

Whats there to fear when pirates who are following a possible target have to declare and thus give up their element of surpise and make known that they are after him.

You might as well paint our ships bright red with a jolly roger on it.

In my opinion its reasonable to assume that pirates who are following you do not intend to picknick with ya. Now dont get me wrong, I dont advocate ignoring the set rules however I do question its purpose.

[Ogu]

Its purpose is mainly to protect untagged players from being pirated without warning and to prevent the place from turning into a pvp-only server. We fully expect that tagged lawmen or traders should be attacked by pirates (and so on), so it's really not a rule aimed at factions who are hostile to each other. Nonetheless, we're going to leave it applicable to everyone until there is some huge player uprising, or if everyone was against it

[Corpse]

This server is the only one ive ever played on where pirates had to declare that they intended to pirate somebody. Personally I feel this " rule " makes it near impossible to play a decent pirate.

Whats there to fear when pirates who are following a possible target have to declare and thus give up their element of surpise and make known that they are after him.

(Tip of the Day) lol

Fortunately there is a way around people who use your typing as a way to escape; use keyboard macros...

Stalk, close in, tap key....

"Stand and deliver your money or your life"

"Attempt to run and die"

cd target and kill shields, repeat for 5 to 10 seconds. If no positive response take down hull and destroy.

Then tap another key...

"Target destroyed, RTB."

You might as well paint our ships bright red with a jolly roger on it.

Or two ravens and a Thors Hammer. lol

Corpse

[FriendlyFire]

This server is the only one ive ever played on where pirates had to declare that they intended to pirate somebody. Personally I feel this " rule " makes it near impossible to play a decent pirate.

Whats there to fear when pirates who are following a possible target have to declare and thus give up their element of surpise and make known that they are after him.

You might as well paint our ships bright red with a jolly roger on it.

In my opinion its reasonable to assume that pirates who are following you do not intend to picknick with ya. Now dont get me wrong, I dont advocate ignoring the set rules however I do question its purpose.

I'm weeping for you mate. No seriously, I am. Poor chap.

But now methinks this has run its course so unless anyone has something very meaningful to add I'd say we're done here.

[(V)assacre]

you really are an Asshole are you not FF...

The point I'm making is that this server went from hardcore to pve carebears but I still remember forsaken and crew claiming that they wanted to do something different then remake ASG. guess I should have known that a fox will lose its fur but not its ways.